@Kovach what development? People don’t generally choose to be homeless and yet there are homeless people now. What’s your solution to that?
@Kovach where’s the justice in allowing the ultra wealthy who have more money than they ever need contribute nothing to society?
Your solution also misses a few things, firstly the economy of scale needed to build enough supply to house people in need, and secondly that anything like a private organisation has a financial burden that pushes them to reduce costs even if that means cutting corners.
@Kovach thirdly, this gives no certainty to people, how can you plan for your life when you know you could be kicked from your home if you’re organisation runs out of money? Fourthly, it’s actually cheaper on our tax system to house people than it is to have them sleeping on the streets.
On a moral, societal, and economic level public housing is the better option.
@Kovach ok, well I’ll just finish the convo by saying that I hope you open your self to the idea of a collective society where we help the most vulnerable. Have a good one.
Like, we ALL want to promote personal development
You think that not having a safety net will spur people on to develop themselves
Other people think that not having a safety net will make personal development too risky
But you have the same goal!
@solitaryvirtue @Kovach I don’t know that we have the same goal… perhaps they would correct me, but I would see the gap between the rich and poor crushed to a minimum. I have the impression that Kovach feels like billionaires should have to pay nothing back to the society they used to become wealthy.
@harrym @solitaryvirtue @Kovach How about a higher level of tax on people with very high incomes (e.g. people who could easily afford to buy more than one expensive house) but at a level that wouldn’t de-incentivise them to work?
The right to own hundreds of times more stuff than other people is not more important that the right to have basic shelter. It isn’t necessary to tax medium-income earners into poverty to ensure everyone has somewhere to live.
> Do I have to blame Elon Musk and Bill Geitz that because of them I don't have my own home?
> The state will never agree to remove the tax from 90% of the population.
Nobody asked it to
> Your dialogue reminds me of the slogan of the Bolsheviks, who killed the wealthy and gave the poor and their own more than they earned.
Okay, and that's bad?
@Kovach Mate you have it the wrong way around. Where @harrym and I live the state exempts landlords from paying property taxes, and income tax is progressive so low income earners pay proportionally less tax or none at all.
It’s the state’s tax regime that is making home ownership and even rent unaffordable.
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