POLL :boost_ok: for people SOUTH of the equator only, see next post if you are north of the equator.

Today (the solstice) is, according to your jurisdiction:

POLL :boost_ok: for people NORTH of the equator only, see next post if you are south of the equator.

Today (the solstice) is, according to your jurisdiction:

I’m trying to ascertain which countries use meteorological definitions of seasons and which countries use astronomical definitions of seasons and which countries use other definitions. You could reply here if your country isn’t already listed.

Still plenty of time left in the poll so I have a few more time zones to check in, but there’s already a really clear trend.

North of the equator, astronomical seasons [start with the solstices and equinoxes] are more common. Happy First day of Summer, you.

South of the equator, meteorological seasons [start with June/September/December/March] are the overwhelming majority. Happy Random day Three Weeks into Winter, you.

I’d love to hear both northerners and southerners who are in the “today is day ~46 of winter” camp. Where are you?

@futzle i was very unaware that the solstice is in any way a governmental date!

@futzle the US uses astrological definitions, although many practical schedules define summer (swimming pools, theme parks, etc.) as "Memorial Day to Labor Day", which is closer to meteorological (end of May to beginning of September).

So officially it's summer today, here, but the average person considers that it's been "summer" for a couple of weeks now, I think. I'm pretty far North, it's "early summer" or "late spring" by the weather, for me.

@futzle I'm living in a multi-season household. It is both start of summer and mid winter here.

Although you've reminded me that I really want to try to find out about how the Wiradjuri calendar works, surely they had much better seasons. But information online is scant, maybe a trip to the library is in order.

@stibbons @futzle *cough* CSIRO have recently published a whole bunch of Indigenous seasonal calendars.

@pelagikat @futzle Th BoM also has a section of their website dedicated to regional seasons, all for nations around the top end.

The only reference I've found for the Wiradjuri so far is
And of course the app being discussed does not exist on Google's store, and all of the links in that article are now dead. I've spent a little bit of time poking around the NSW LLS site without luck. But will dedicate some more time soon.

@stibbons Indigenous seasons make so much sense in this part of the world, of course they were suppressed for Reasons. Let us know what you find out. I’m aware of the Kulin Nation’s seven seasons but that’s of no use on your land.

@futzle only half using the euro-style seasons not quite relevant to my area means that I'm observing the solstice right smack bang in the middle of chunnup (winter)

link for my local seasonal calendar:

@futzle in Russia people understand summer as months of June, July and August

@futzle Thank-you! I was wondering a similar thing (but with layperson language 😂).
I grew up in Australia, and didn’t know until I lived in Korea at age 27 that the idea of seasons starting on the 1st of June, September, etc was not transnational.
(Some time in early or mid-June I told my Korean teaching colleagues that I had gone swimming at 광알리 and they were shocked and warned me against swimming before summer started.)

@futzle the summer solstice is called Midsummer here, but is considered the beginning of astronomical summer. Meteorological summer begins on 1 June.

@loke Lol, I was thinking of you (well, Singapore and Quito) when I made these polls, and I was tempted to make a third, but your seasons are just "wet" and "wetter" (or "dry" and "drier") so who cares what the sun is doing, eh?

@futzle Yeah, you know Singapore weather far too well it would seem. There are people who claim that certain seasons are drier here, but after a decade and a half or so I still have no idea when that's supposed to be. It never really stops raining here. 🙂

@loke I have only been to Singapore Airport but it seems to share its weather with the rest of the country.

@futzle The country is small enough for that statement to be valid 🙂

@futzle In Luxembourg (and I think in german speaking countries in general) there the astronomical summer is more "official", but the meteorological definition is often mentioned in the news/weather report.

@futzle it's just the solstice as far as I'm concerned (UK). Might be different cultural connotations for other solstices like autumn and spring but they can be difficult to pin down, ephemeral or just not well known, so you'd have to ask on or near them specifically

@nuala @futzle

UK Met Office uses 1st June as start of meteorological summer, but recognises astronomical summer as what is more commonly used as everyday terminology.

@futzle it's midsummer in the UK, but in terms of weather it corresponds much more closely to about the beginning of summer

@futzle I haven't voted, because I don't know what you mean by "your jurisdiction" ... I don't know of anyone "official" in the UK who cares about the solstice.

@RiderOfGiraffes Does the UK define summer, either de jure or de facto? What does that mean for today? How far into summer are you?

@futzle I don't know that "the UK" defines "Summer". The Met office has this:

But I'm unaware of any official concept of "Summer". What does a Government do that depends on such a definition? It baffles me, but I'm intrigued to learn that such a thing exists.

@futzle local weather people (US, Texas) have begun talking about weather summer vs astronomical summer and weather summer starts June 1.

@futzle in the UK summer “officially” starts today

@futzle I don't think there's anything juristic about solstice here. It's just the sun, this tiny globe and all.

@futzle but we do use calendar seasons.
Summer Jun-Aug etc.
And astronomical. Solstice and equinox 21ish of March, June, Sep, Dec.

"First day of Summer", but we still call it "Midsummer". 🤣

@futzle I'm in the US and I actually had to look this up (solstice is the official first day of summer)

until this year I've never lived in a house without a student in it, so practically the "first day of summer" has always been whenever school lets out in early june

@futzle it's never been a meaningful day for me. It's summer as soon as it starts getting really hot, it's winter as soon as it starts getting really cold. Spring and autumn aren't particularly real, but it can be nice to pretend. This year I think summer started sometime around mid-april

@futzle ah dammit I voted 21st because it's 21st-ish day of june and I can't read


Calendar summer, astronomical summer, or meteorological summer?

@futzle if i remember correctly, Sweden's definition of meteorological summer is something like "when the average temperature across n days is above 10C"

(n=5? or was it 7?)

Although, just because it is the definition I grew up with doesn't mean it is the official definition of the country I grew up in.

@futzle The winter solstice is the shortest day of the year. 🤷‍♀️

@futzle here in Brasil everything can change when the government change but today is officially the 1st day of winter.

@futzle it's weird but I managed to live 42 years on this planet before just discovering, this year, that not all people just use months. At some point I was taught eg. "December, January and February are summer" and I just rolled with it, solstices were just independent things that just happened some time in the season.

@jimbob @futzle Yeah I had no idea the rest of the world did it differently from us until I met my wife, who's from the US.

@jimbob @futzle The month thing seems like a (colonial) Australianism. I was surprised that England isn’t this but 180° out of phase, but has something to do with when Bill Oddie hears a chaffinch or whatever.

@acb @futzle something involving Morrissey walking out of a Tesco's...

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